SHINee Lucifer controversy (Illuminati or not?)
- July 25th, 2010
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EDIT: Read comments instead; you may ignore this post. They pose a few more sound (and some not so sound) arguments. Thanks.
I’ve been receiving some nasty comments about SHINee because of their Lucifer album and song title. And really guys, isn’t it obvious that I’m a SHINee fan? Do you really think I’d approve a comment that spreads evil rumours about SHINee? (But I greatly welcome any comments about the whole Lucifer story because I know I could be wrong)
First off, SHINee is pronounced SHINY. Not she-nee. So no, the “SHI” in SHINee does not translate to 死 (die in Japanese). Because it’s pronounced as ‘she’. Secondly, a lot of words in Japanese and Chinese are pronounced exactly the same, but the written word is different, so you can’t use this kind of lame evidence to support your lame accusations. Thirdly, SHINee are essentially a Korean group and “shinee” doesn’t mean anything evil (or anything at all, in fact) in Korean.
I don’t claim to be an expert on christianology (in fact, I know very little of it) but I did some research on the topic so I hope to answer the question every one seems to have. Well, not everyone. Just hardcore Christians who have some problems with the use of Lucifer.
But first, where is the connection between SHINee and the illuminati?
Their comeback album and song is titled Lucifer, which you cannot deny has strong roots from religion. But the problem lies wherein people tend to associate it with Satan. And the Illuminati which was a group of rebels or something, who claimed Lucifer as their God. Hence, the controversy.
What is the meaning of Lucifer?
The short version. The song Lucifer has nothing to do with the illuminati or christianity; it’s just a metaphor they use for a girl that’s under the disguise of an angel. And to symbolize entrapment. But you know, nowadays you have to be really careful with what you say, because there’s a lot of nitpickies (people who nitpick) out there who’d take any chance they could to rip you to pieces.
Once again, here’s SMentertainment’s explanation.
“Members using their eye expression to show their main song ‘Lucifer’, in Christianity, Lucifer means the falling angel of the devil. SHINee with a refreshing image in the past activities, showed a big transformation and a feeling of approaching in their 2nd album.
SM expressed that ” A selfish heart, persevering love, wrongly threatened and repeatedly revolving appearance of an angel and devil, lovers having a vague feeling in Lucifer” “The meaning of religion is to have courage”.
The longer (but still short) version. But just for your information, Lucifer was never intended to be synonymous with Satan, or even represented as a fallen angel. He is instead supposed to symbolize a fallen Babylonian King. Lucifer appears in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, in the twelfth verse,
“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”
There is no mention nor reference to Satan at all. Just a random name mentioned out of the blue. But ancient priests and whoever who knew a lot about the bible clarified that it was never specified to mean Satan, just the Babylonian King.
Christians and Mormons just happily equated “Lucifer” with “Satan” because they needed to create for themselves a demonic presence, so they used Lucifer as their scapegoat; that’s how injust the world is, and they later used the verse to support their accusations.
Since Lucifer isn’t actually Satan, SHINee isn’t satanic. And just because the Illuminati said that Lucifer was their God, doesn’t mean any future references have to be linked to the illuminati.
So, are the SHINee illuminati? Decidedly not.
What are the illuminati? Some underground group of repressed radicals? Do we really fear the New World Order anymore? I don’t think we need to worry about the illuminati anymore. Or is the question: Did we ever, need to worry?
Besides, in the song lyrics, it’s not like they are saying Lucifer is amazing; in fact, their message is quite the opposite.
P.S I’m not about to approve comments that diss SHINee and spread evil rumours about them.
@anonymous
you only think it’s “dumb” because you clearly don’t understand the connotations. it’s okay! i understand that certain people lack a basic amount of intellect due to birth defects or other reasons. all you can do here is rage in a superfluous manner, little girl. get a life.
& if you attempt to reply to this, i’ll just delete it. simple matter. rage more :) & you can’t do anything about it. oh no, is this how God repays you for your pious belief in him? :)
Wearing the color black has nothing to do with the devil. And neither does red and white.
And about the Illuminati thing. I don’t know. I do believe and then I don’t believe Lucifer has anything to do with the actual devil.
wow.
so you reply to my “you’re dumb” with a “you’re stupid”..
…..
you’re stupidity has rendered me speechless.
i can’t reply properly because it pisses me off when people can’t comprehend what i say. seriously. what the hell are you saying? it doesn’t make sense as a reply to what i wrote earlier.
please re-read my previous post. SLOWLY now. we don’t want you to miss anything. and try to get what i’m saying.
oh, and i don’t really care if you delete this, so how the hell does that have to do with God?
@anonymous
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learn some English, then piss off.
I love God, and am a Christian. I also listen to SHINee. I don’t know whether there is a darker meaning behind the song Lucifer or not… but as long as I keep my faith in God strong that’s all that matters.
I have read the english translation of this song, and i see no correlation between the illuminati and this song. I watched the “making of” video for the lucifer mv, and the members said they were trying to portray a girl in the song who had to sides: angelic and evil. “Lucifer” was only a metaphor symbolizing her evil side. Go on YouTube and look up the video, and you will see that this is true. And, btw, I am Christian.
you dont know how i love you and now you are illuminati fuck illuminati fuck all member in illuminati i hate all of il….
you have a fuck name illuminati
i am musliman and all the people on the day of Judgement will go up to Allah. will wait their turn and we will finally see that what will happen to them.
when will fall intends to repent forgiveness and salvation of their search will not be forgiven no matter what will occur…God will forgive those innocent people who are tortured by them while the heart of lean is not condoned
I ask Allah to forgive me
do not ask anything else but would be well that you come to an end Illuminati.
me too i also listen to SHINee
song,dramas etc.But now thy are a little bad boys
ive actually believed it at one time but i when i read the lyrics i realized it was actually the opposite. lucifer, as in fallen angel was their “love at first sight” they were fooled by her beauty and the song is about how the girl is totally toying with their emotions and driving them crazy. at the end though, they say leave me alone so i can truly see you and love you. they want her to take them seriously and show their her true feelings. it was really easy to think it was satanic but that was all they really meant. they wont love the girl if she keeps toying with their emotions so she should cut it out and show them her true identity
Good god u guys r unbelieveble…like srsly read the freaking lyrics understand it then make ur disicion..shut the freaking up saying shinee r illuminati.come on! They just sing the freaking song its not like they wrote it or anything…im no christian but i do believe in lucifer n all..n to think about it..i dont think he’s thaaaaaat bad..like honestly..u say he’s satan n all..sure he was the person who started the freaking war or whatever.y the hell did he do that? Because he felt like god didnt love him rite?so i think he just felt abandoned or betrayed n yeah he did stupid stuff..he was clouded by his freaking emotions…dont u think he has the right to be forgiven?u guys make him look so bad…n reading thru books n all im not sure…but i do believe everybody who make mistakes deserve the right to be forgiven… Im not saying this to make u hesitate god… im a freaking fan who’s freaking angry by the people who started the freaking romour bout shinee being an illuminati..i think its stupid n annoying.
i have looked at the comments and everything else and i am still sort of confused… my question is ‘Is SHINee good or bad overall?’ I’ve been told about its connotation with Satan and i still don’t know what to believe…
I dont know that much about religion so can i just ask…is it bad to listen to SHINee?
well i am a fan of shinee also and i know that lucifer does not have to do with satan but lucifer was the name got gace satan before he was vanished of heaven, i think that is why people relate lucifer with satan and sometimes they just look for meanings in the surface.
i am a fan of shinee and people just look meanings were they are not i mean, lucifer was the name god gave satan beafore he was vanished from heaven. i think this is why people you have to look for a deep meaning not just the surface
@poli
I get where you’re coming at. But I also find difficulty taking your words seriously when there is improper grammar left and right…
in my opinion, i think it depend to us.
if u believe to your God everything will be alright :)
illuminati or something like that it’s real.
but keep our mind strong and believe inour heart ^^
I agree finally someone who shows that the song isn’t demonic but one problem. I’m a christian and the 2nd pargraph from the 2nd quote hurts me, it sounds as if your insulting chrisitians in a way. BUT I DON’T MEAN TO BE RUDE, you probably didn’t mean it in a rude way. I guess you might not be religious I respect that! Anyway I love SHINEE THEY R AWSOME!
I’m a Shawol too (SHINee fan) and I just wanna say, Lucifer was NOT written by SHINee so why blame them for it? They were merely performing it, dancing, singing. They must’ve not known the real meaning of the song. And I had assumed that Lucifer was a s
Continuation: spell that trapped them, and they couldn’t escape from it. And to those SHINee haters, why hate when you can love?
@Julietta It is NOT bad to like and listen to SHINee…….They are not some evil people that are trying to brainwash people about Lucifer or something. They are singing about how there is this girl and they love her and stuff, but they were fooled by her beauty and she has two sides to her, a good side, and a bad side. And they feel trapped and they just want her to stop and love them like they do her and not play games with their emotions. And they refer to her as “Lucifer”…… and “Her whisper is the Lucifer”….I mean,….does that sound like they are referring to Satan to you? :) Not to me….I LOVE SHINEE! :DDDDD
I really liked your blog article.Much thanks again.
I can admit that I was a little concerned with the title being Lucifer until I listened to the song and looked up the lyrics as well it’s basically saying how they where manipulated and that they don’t want to be like that I’ve even via chatted with Almighty Key himself and he told me that is what the song really means
I think if someone is a true christian aren’t they supposed to be only listening to Christian music. I was a christian so long ago and i was taught that christian are only to listen to christian music and its a sin to be associated with anything to do with the world. so how can you be a hardcore christian and be a SHAWOL but hate Lucifer the song. In he eyes of the lord sin is sin. There’s no sin bigger or a little sin. Sin is equal, so here’s my question to you. How come is sin to like Lucifer the song but like Shinee in general and other music? Please tell me how does that work. Or was my ex pasture wrong ?